Court holds defendants must execute further limited recourse mortgage as indefinite article does not preclude subsequent security.
Sintesi Legislator
Generato dall'IAThe court resolved two preliminary issues regarding the interpretation of a land sale contract between Marlan Homes Limited and Mark Walsh and Gary Wedick. While the defendants admitted the contract's existence, they argued the indefinite article in clause 6(c) prevented a second mortgage after an initial one was executed. The court rejected this, ruling that the clause imposes a continuing obligation to procure security for any borrowing within its ambit, including a further limited recourse mortgage, provided the Dublin City Council consent issue is resolved.
Regesto Legislator
Generato dall'IAClause 6(c) of the contract; The indefinite article 'a' Mortgage/Charge does not preclude the execution of a subsequent limited recourse mortgage where the parties contemplated ongoing security arrangements.
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Neutral Citation Number: [2009] IEHC 135
THE HIGH COURT
COMMERCIAL
2008 8311 P
BETWEEN
MARLAN HOMES LIMITED
PLAINTIFF
AND
MARK WALSH AND GARY WEDICK
DEFENDANTS
JUDGMENT of Mr. Justice Clarke delivered the 20th March, 2009
1. Introduction
1.1 These proceedings involve a dispute between the parties concerning an agreement which, in substance, contemplated
the ultimate sale of lands at Kilmore Road, in Dublin City. While the commercial substance of the agreement between the
parties is, as I have noted, one for the sale of the lands in question, the legal form of the agreement is somewhat more
complex. It is out of that complexity that the dispute between the parties arises.
1.2 The plaintiff (“Marlan”) seeks, in these proceedings, an order for specific performance of an agreement of the 23rd
November, 2006, (“the November Agreement”) made between Marlan and the defendants in respect of those lands. The
defendants admit the existence of a contract of the 23rd November, 2006, in relation to the lands but, in their defence,
question significant aspects of the interpretation placed by Marlan on that contract.
1.3 In that context an application was brought before this Court seeking to have two preliminary issues concerning the
interpretation of the contract concerned determined by the court.
1.4 An order in that regard was made, and the trial of the preliminary issues came on for hearing before me. This judgment
is directed towards those preliminary issues.
1.5 It is appropriate that I first set out, therefore, the issues which I have to try.
2. The Preliminary Issues
2.1 The issues required to be tried are as follows:-
A. Are the Defendants required to compel Dublin City Council to consent to a mortgage in respect of the lands
owned by Dublin City Council comprising approximately 1,345 square metres situate at Kilmore Road, Artane in the
City of Dublin; and
B. Having regard to the fact that the Defendants executed a limited recourse mortgage in favour of AIB plc in
respect of Folios 929 and 35060F County Dublin, which same was expressly accepted by the plaintiff, its servants or
agents, by letter dated the 14th June, 2007, from the plaintiffs then solicitors, Messrs. Callan & Co, are the
Defendants required to execute a further limited recourse mortgage.
2.2 As is clear a true understanding of the issues which arise requires an analysis of the contractual obligations of the
parties and, in particular, the obligations, if any, of the defendants in respect of the procurement of certain mortgage
arrangements designed to enable funding for a construction project on the relevant premises to be progressed. For those
reasons it is appropriate to turn, firstly, to the legal structure of the arrangements entered into between the parties.
3. The Legal Structure of the Agreements
3.1 The overall site consists of lands comprised in three different Land Registry Folios. Prior to the parties entering into
the November Agreement, the defendants were already the registered owners of the lands comprised in two of the Folios
concerned being Folios 929F and 35060F of the Register of Freeholders for County Dublin. However, the third portion of
lands involved (“the Dublin City Council lands”) was part of the lands comprised in Folio 4021 of the Register of
Freeholders for County Dublin. In the latter part of 2006, the defendants were involved in significant negotiations with
Dublin City Council for the purposes of acquiring an interest in those later lands. It would appear that on the 20th
December, 2006, a formal agreement was entered into between the defendants and Dublin City Council (“the December
Agreement”) the substance of which entitled the defendants, provided that certain conditions were complied with, to
receive from Dublin City Council a lease of the lands in question with the terms of the relevant lease being annexed to the
agreement entered into between the defendants and Dublin City Council.
3.2 The December Agreement contemplated that the defendants could, prior to obtaining the relevant lease, enter onto
the lands for the purpose of carrying out a development on same. Once the development was completed to a specified
stage, the defendants were entitled to obtain the lease in question. These contemplated arrangements are reflected in
the November Agreement in that recital A of that agreement states that the licensors (who in that context are the
defendants) “are the persons entitled to be registered with the leasehold interest in part Folio 4021 County Dublin on foot
of an agreement for lease dated [BLANK] day of [BLANK], 2006” (sic). The agreement was executed with blank dates as
shown. The reason for no date being inserted is, of course, because the relevant agreement had not yet been executed.
However, it would appear that the parties entered into the November Agreement in contemplation that the agreement
between the defendants and Dublin City Council would shortly be executed, and with knowledge of the terms of that
agreement.
3.3 Likewise, the second schedule to the November Agreement, which provides for title, refers both to an agreement for
lease between Dublin City Council and the defendants, again undated, and a draft lease.
3.4 It would appear, therefore, that while the November Agreement was drafted on the assumption that the arrangements
contemplated between Dublin City Council and the defendants would have been formalised prior to its execution, it was
nonetheless executed (without amendment) notwithstanding the fact that the agreement between the defendants and
Dublin City Council, while at an advanced stage of finalisation, had not been formally executed. It is also clear that the
November Agreement makes express reference to the contemplated arrangements between Dublin City Council and the
defendants in the manner which I have already noted.
3.5 It was against that background that the November Agreement was entered into.
3.6 On that basis it is appropriate to turn to the November Agreement itself. The agreement is a so called building license
agreement, which provides for a license entitling the purchasers (in this case Marlan) to enter into possession of the
property in question for the purposes of constructing a development on it. The agreement further provides, in Clause
4(c), that the defendants, as vendors, will, after the payment of certain monies, ultimately execute an assurance of the
property concerned, or a relevant portion of it, to persons nominated by Marlan. The intent of the agreement was that
Marlan would, therefore, as a result of the building license, be able to go onto the lands in question and construct the
apartment development in respect of which planning permission had already been obtained. When an individual apartment
was sold, Marlan would be entitled to require that the legal interest in that apartment be transferred by the defendants
directly to the purchaser. The commercial substance of such arrangements is that the land is, in practical terms, sold.
However, the legal form of such arrangements leaves the ownership of the land in question in the hands of the vendor,
until such time as construction has been completed and a relevant unit sold on to a third party. The legal title is,
therefore, transferred directly from the vendor to the ultimate purchaser of the built unit. The advantage of such
arrangements, from the perspective of the parties thereto, is that stamp duty only falls to be paid once rather than the
twice which would arise if there were an outright sale of the development site to a purchaser, followed by a second sale
of the developed units on to third parties. In substance there is a saving of the stamp duty which would otherwise be
paid on the purchase price of the development land. That is a saving in favour of the purchaser who does not have to
bear the stamp duty concerned. The saving may, of course, on the facts of any individual case, also inure, at least in
part, to the benefit of the vendor who may be able to secure a better price by agreeing to enter into an arrangement
structured in that way, because the purchaser may be willing to pay more in the light of the fact that he will not be
exposed to a charge to stamp duty.
3.7 Be that as it may, the parties chose to structure the arrangement between them in that way, doubtless for good
reason. However, the legal rights and obligations of the parties must necessarily be governed by the legal form into which
they chose to put their arrangements.
3.8 However, the key issue with which I am concerned in relation to these preliminary issues concerns the rights and
obligations of the parties in relation to potential mortgages over the lands in question. There are provisions contained in
both the November Agreement and the December Agreement concerning mortgage entitlement. I, therefore, turn to the
relevant mortgage clauses.
4. The Mortgage Clauses
4.1 The November building license agreement provides at, clause 6(c), as follows:-
“The licensor shall at the request of the licensee execute a Mortgage/Charge limited in recourse to the subject
lands in a form which is acceptable to the licensor in favour of any bank or lending institution providing loan facilities
to the licensee to enable the licensee to fund the works on the subject lands or any part thereof and the payment
of the sums covenant to be paid by the licensee to the several parties under this agreement.”
4.2 It is that clause which is at the heart of the dispute between the parties. A number of aspects of the clause in
question need to be noted. Firstly, there is reference to the sums covenanted to be paid by the licensee under the
agreement. The commercial substance of the arrangement was that almost all of what might loosely be termed the
purchase price was to be paid up front. I say loosely because, while the commercial substance of the arrangement was
that the sum concerned was the purchase price (or almost all of it), in form the sum was described by the parties as a
license fee to enable the licensee to go on to the property for the purposes of constructing the development and also to
have the entitlement to nominate individual purchasers as being entitled to receive an assurance of the built units to such
purchasers. Clause 6(c), therefore, contemplates a mortgage being entered into by the defendants to secure borrowings
which Marlan would make, both to enable Marlan to pay the consideration for the license agreement and to pay the costs
of developing the site in accordance with the planning permission in place. Secondly, it is important to note that the
obligation of the licensor relates to “the subject lands”. This is a term to which it will be necessary to return in due
course.
4.3 In any event, so far as the two portions of the site which were already owned by the defendants were concerned, no
difficulty arose under this heading. It is clear that the defendants were obliged to enter into a mortgage to support
borrowings by Marlan in accordance with clause 6(c) in respect of the lands of which the defendants were the registered
owners.
4.4 Indeed, as will become clear, the defendants did in fact agree to enter into such a mortgage in favour of a lender with
whom Marlan had entered into loan agreements.
4.5 The difficulty, however, arose in respect of the obligations of the parties in respect of the third portion of the land
which was, as I have noted, not owned by the defendants but rather was land in respect of which the defendants had
certain entitlements under the December Agreement. As already noted that agreement, while not executed at the time of
the November Agreement , was nonetheless at an advanced form of finalisation so that the parties would have
understood the terms on which the agreement was likely to be (and in fact, was) entered into.
4.6 The December Agreement itself did also contemplate the possibility that the defendants might need to enter into a
mortgage over its future interest in the Dublin City Council lands, as an aid to financing construction. In that context,
clause 14 of the December Agreement provided as follows:-
“The Agreement is an Agreement for Lease and shall not operate as a Lease and shall not be transferable save in
the case of a Financial Institution which has entered into a Mortgage with the Proposed Lessee, details of which
Mortgage will be provided to the Council in writing and must have been entered into specifically for the purposes of
financing the Proposed Lessee to enable it to undertake the Approved Development on the Site the subject matter
of this Agreement.”
4.7 A number of matters need to be noted about that clause. Firstly, the clause appears to be confined to finance for the
development itself rather than finance needed to support the “purchase”. The December Agreement provided for a
significant initial capital payment by the defendants to Dublin City Council, but it seems clear that the mortgage
contemplated by clause 14 could not be used to help fund that payment but rather was confined to development costs.
4.8 Secondly, and perhaps of even greater importance, what appears to be contemplated is that the defendants could
assign the benefit of the agreement for the purposes of allowing a mortgagee to take the benefit of the agreement as
part of the relevant mortgage security. In other words, it does not appear to have been contemplated that the
defendants would be entitled to procure that Dublin City Council enter into a mortgage over the lands themselves. Rather,
Dublin City Council were required to allow an assignment of the benefit of the agreement for a lease so as to enable the
benefit of that agreement itself to be mortgaged.
4.9 There are, therefore, real differences between the nature of the mortgage arrangements contracted to be entered
into as and between the defendants and Dublin City Council, on the one hand, and as and between the defendants and
Marlan on the other hand. It is those distinctions which are at the heart of the disputes which give rise to the preliminary
issues which I have to determine.
4.10 In that context it is appropriate to turn to the respective arguments of the parties concerning the proper
interpretation of the November Agreement having regard, to whatever extent that it may be appropriate and permissible,
to the terms of the December Agreement. I, therefore, turn to the arguments of the parties.
5. The Arguments of the Parties
5.1 The argument of Marlan can be put fairly simply. Marlan draws attention to the terms of clause 6(c) of the November
Agreement and the reference in that clause to the obligation on the defendants to “execute a Mortgage/Charge limited in
recourse to the subject lands”. In the definition section of the November Agreement the term “the subject lands” is
defined as meaning “the lands more particularly described in recital A of this Agreement”. Recital A has already been set
out at para. 3.2 above. It is clear that recital A makes reference not only to the two Folios in respect of which the
defendants were already the registered owners, but also to the lands in respect of which the defendants were due to
become leasehold owners on foot of what ultimately became the December Agreement, that is the Dublin City Council
lands.
5.2 On that basis Marlan argues that the term “subject lands” comprises all three parts of the development site. On that
basis it is argued that clause 6(c) is clear in its intent, and obliges the defendants to procure that Marlan should be
entitled, both for the purposes of “purchase” and development costs, to obtain a mortgage over all three sets of lands.
5.3 The argument put forward by the defendants seeks to link in the December Agreement as a means of construing the
November Agreement. On that basis it is said that the parties clearly had in their contemplation, at the time of entering
into the November Agreement, the fact that it was anticipated that what ultimately became the December Agreement
would shortly be executed and that the parties were, further, aware of the terms of what was going to become the
December Agreement. On that basis it is said that the parties could not be taken to have contemplated that the
defendants would have any greater obligation in respect of the procurement of a facility to enter into a mortgage over
the Dublin City Council lands beyond the entitlement which the defendants were going to secure in relation to obtaining
such a mortgage entitlement by virtue of clause 14 of what became the December Agreement. Thus, it is argued, a
proper construction of the November Agreement requires that it be construed having regard to the terms of the December
Agreement, and on that basis it is said that the November Agreement should not be construed in a manner which implied
that the defendants had undertaken any greater obligation in respect of facilitating a mortgage relevant to the Dublin City
Council lands beyond the entitlement which the defendants (and, it is said Marlan Homes) contemplated would be
available in respect of those lands, under what became the December Agreement.
5.4 Those are the competing constructions which the parties seek to place on the core provision of the November
Agreement concerning mortgage entitlement.
5.5 It should also be noted that the second preliminary issue directed to be tried stems from a contention on the part of
the defendants that any entitlement which Marlan might have had to require the defendants to facilitate mortgage
arrangements was exhausted or spent when the defendants agreed to put in place a mortgage over the two Folios, in
respect of which they were registered owners, in favour of AIB plc. In relation to this point it is argued by the defendants
that clause 6(c) contemplates a single entitlement to have a mortgage put in place over the subject lands and does not
entitle, as it were, Marlan to come back for a second bite of the cherry.
5.6 However, it seems to me that the first issue which logically should be addressed is the question concerning the proper
construction of the entitlement of Marlan under clause 6(c) insofar as it relates to the Dublin City Council lands. Before
turning to that question I should, briefly, touch on the legal principles applicable to the construction of commercial
documents such as those with which I am concerned. I, therefore, turn to the law.
6. The Law
6.1 There was no significant dispute between the parties as to the applicable legal principles. The test was most
succinctly put by Keane J. in Kramer v. Arnold [1997] 3 I.R. 43 at p. 55, when he said:-
“In this case, as in any case where the parties are in disagreement as to what a particular provision of a contract
means, the task of the court is to decide what the intention of the parties was, having regard to the language used
in the context itself and the surrounding circumstances.”
6.2 I did not understand the parties to suggest that any different test should be applied.
6.3 In addition, I am satisfied that the appropriate starting point should be the text of the agreement itself. In Ryanair
Limited v. An Bord Pleanala [2008] IEHC 1, I stated the following:-
“5.5 In addition, notwithstanding the recent evolution in the principles applicable to the construction of written
agreements intended to have legal effect, to which I referred in BNY Trust, the starting point for any construction
issue remains the text of the agreement itself. The reasons for this are obvious. The fifth principle identified by Lord
Hoffman in Investors Compensation Scheme Ltd v. West Bromwich Building Society [1998] 1 WLR and approved by
Geoghegan J., speaking for the Supreme Court, in Analogue Devices v. Zurich Insurance [2005] 2 ILRM 131, notes
that the reason why words should be given their “natural and ordinary meaning” stems from the common sense
proposition that we do not easily accept that people have made linguistic mistakes, particularly in formal
documents. This is all the more so when the written form is agreed with the benefit of expert advice on all sides.
The logic of this position is clear. Whatever may have been in the minds of parties as they approach an agreement,
they choose to give effect to their agreement by putting it in writing in a specific form.
5.6 It would be to entirely and inappropriately devalue the written form into which parties have chosen to put their
agreement, not to pay significant attention to the way in which the agreement is expressed in the document under
consideration. It would, in my view, be to put the cart before the horse to start with a consideration of what the
parties were trying to do and only then to apply ones mind to what they in fact did by entering into an agreement
in the terms of the written document under consideration. Rather one should start with the document but using, as
an aid to its construction, the context in which it was entered into by reference to any material background facts
which would bear upon the way in which a reasonable and informed person would have interpreted the document in
question.”
6.4 The starting point should, therefore, be the text agreed on by the parties but using, as indicated in Ryanair, as an aid
to the proper construction of that text, the context in which the agreement containing the relevant text was entered into
by reference to any material background facts which would bear on the way in which a reasonable and informed person
would have interpreted the document in question.
6.5 I propose adopting that approach in respect of the text in this case. It is, therefore, appropriate to turn to the
application of that test to the clause in question.
7. The Interpretation of Clause 6(c)
7.1 There is no doubt but that the parties chose to use the term “subject lands” in clause 6(c). The “subject lands”
clearly includes the Dublin City Council lands as well as the lands which were already in the ownership of the defendants.
It would, in my view, be to entirely devalue the text of clause 6(c) if that clause were to be interpreted as not extending
any obligation in respect of mortgage facilitation to the Dublin City Council lands. To come to such a view would be to
ignore entirely the fact that the parties chose to define the obligation contained in clause 6(c) by reference to the
definition of the subject lands, which in turn referred to the lands specified in recital A, which in turn obviously include the
Dublin City Council lands. Any construction on clause 6(c) which entirely excluded the defendants from an obligation in
respect of the Dublin City Council lands would, in my view, require to ignore the clear wording of the clause and the other
clauses to which it makes specific reference. It does not seem to me, therefore, that there could be any basis for
suggesting that the only obligation placed on the defendants in respect of facilitating a mortgage related to the lands
other than the Dublin City Council lands.
7.2 The further question which arises is, however, as to the nature of any entitlement which Marlan might have in relation
to the Dublin City Council lands. Is it, as Marlan suggest, an entitlement to have a full mortgage over the lands in question
or is it, as the defendants suggest in their back up argument, that no entitlement could exist beyond the right to obtain a
mortgage over the interest of the defendants in those lands, being the interest of the defendants in the agreement for
the lease?
7.3 It seems to me that on this point the defendants are correct. The way in which the Dublin City Council lands come
into the equation at all is by the reference to those lands in recital A, which is incorporated into clause 6(c) through the
medium of the definition of the term “subject lands”. However, what is specifically referred to in recital A is the
entitlement of the defendants to be registered on foot of an agreement for lease. Therefore, the very definition of the
lands in respect of which the mortgage entitlement arises makes specific reference to the interest of the defendants
being an entitlement to a lease.
7.4 While clause 6(c) could, undoubtedly, be clearer, it seems to me that the interpretation suggested as a fallback
position on behalf of the defendants does not do any damage to the wording of the clause. On that basis I am satisfied
that the proper construction of clause 6(c) obliges the defendants to make available a mortgage over the entirety of their
interest in all of the subject lands. That means that the defendants are obliged to make available mortgage facilities in
the ordinary sense over the lands in respect of which they are the registered freehold owners (presumable a registered
charge if necessary), but are also obliged to enable their interest in the Dublin City Council lands (being their entitlement
to receive a lease subject to the terms of that agreement) to be the subject of security in favour of Marlan’s lenders.
7.5 Such an interpretation does give Marlan an entitlement to have some form of mortgage in relation to all of the subject
lands, and thus does not do any violence to the definition of the term “subject lands” by reference to recital A. At the
same time, such a construction does not oblige the defendants to procure a mortgage over an interest in the Dublin City
Council lands which, by the very terms of recital A itself, the defendants do not purport to own.
7.6 However, it seems to me that the obligation on the defendants is to procure that a mortgage over their interest in the
Dublin City Council lands (i.e. the agreement for a lease comprised by the December Agreement), be made available as
security for Marlan whether Marlan’s indebtedness sought to be secured relates to “purchase” or development costs.
Clause 6(c) is clear in its terms. It entitles Marlan to a mortgage as security both for the license fee (in substance most
of the purchase price) and development costs. The defendants agreed to this. It seems to me, in that context, that the
question of whether the defendants have an entitlement to enforce such a mortgage as against Dublin City Council is
neither here nor there. Parties frequently enter into agreements to deal with assets over which they do not have a
sufficient interest, as of the time of contract, to complete the deal. Parties who enter into such agreements take the risk
that they may be found in breach of contract if they are not, by the time when the relevant obligation under the contract
arises, have an ability to make the asset concerned available. There is nothing unusual, therefore, in construing an
agreement in a manner which imposes an obligation on one or other of the parties which it was not, as of the time of the
agreement, in a position to comply with.
7.7 While, therefore, for the reasons which I have sought to analyse, I am satisfied that the only entitlement which
Marlan has in respect of the Dublin City Council lands, is to require the defendants to make the interest of the defendants
under the December Agreement available as security, I am not satisfied that the other terms of the December Agreement
are imported into the November Agreement where those terms are inconsistent with the clear wording of the November
Agreement itself. It is, therefore, a matter for the defendants to seek to persuade Dublin City Council to allow security to
be given over the interest of the defendants in the December Agreement so as to secure any loan in favour of Marlan
which comes within the scope of what is contemplated by clause 6(c). I would, therefore, propose answering issue A to
the effect that the defendants are required to seek to procure that Dublin City Council consent to a mortgage in respect
of the interest of the defendants, on foot of the December Agreement, in the lands owned by Dublin City Council
comprising approximately 1,345 square metres situate at Kilmore Road in the City of Dublin.
7.8 It is then necessary to pass to the second issue which arises.
8. Is the Mortgage Obligation Spent?
8.1 Under this heading the defendants argue that, having already given one mortgage in respect of the lands of which
they are the registered owners, their obligations under clause 6(c) are spent or exhausted and they are under no
continuing obligation to enter into any further mortgages. On that basis it is suggested that the defendants cannot now
be required to procure that Dublin City Council agree to a mortgage, of any sort, in respect of the lands. I am not
satisfied that such an argument reflects the proper construction to be placed on clause 6(c). While the clause does refer
to “a” Mortgage/Charge, it does not seem to me that the use of the indefinite article was thereby intended to create a
singular obligation on the part of the defendants. For example, could it really be said that it was in the parties
contemplation that, if Marlan were to change its bankers, Marlan would have no entitlement to have a second
replacement mortgage entered into in favour of its new lenders. To interpret clause 6(c) in way which would preclude a
second mortgage from being entered into based solely on the use of the indefinite article, would seem to me to be an
inappropriate approach to giving proper effect to the intentions of the parties. In the circumstances and I am not
satisfied that the fact that a mortgage has already been entered into precludes Marlan from seeking that a subsequent
mortgage be entered into, provided that that subsequent mortgage is within the terms contemplated by clause 6(c).
8.2 In those circumstances issue B should be answered to the effect that the defendants are required to execute a
further limited recourse mortgage, notwithstanding the fact that the defendants have already executed such a mortgage
in favour of AIB plc in respect of Folios 929F and 35060F County Dublin. It should, of course, be understood that the
limited recourse mortgage which the defendants remain obliged to execute is one which is limited in scope by the answer
to issue A.
9. Conclusions
9.1 It follows that the two preliminary issues directed to be tried should be resolved in the manner set out earlier in this
judgment. For the avoidance of doubt I should, therefore, set out the obligations which I have found the defendants to
have.
9.2 There is a continuing obligation on the defendants to procure that Marlan can obtain security over the Dublin City
Council lands. The obligation of the defendants is to procure that Marlan have that security in respect of any type of
borrowing that comes within the ambit of clause 6(c), and is not confined to the type of borrowing contemplated by
clause 14 of the December Agreement. If that causes problems for the defendants in respect of their relationship with
Dublin City Council, then that is a problem which stems from the fact that the defendants entered into an agreement with
Marlan which was significantly different in scope from the agreement which the defendants entered into with Dublin City
Council without seeking, in the text of the November Agreement with Marlan, to limit their obligations to Marlan by
reference to their entitlements from the Dublin City Council. However, the obligation of the defendants does not extend
beyond procuring that there be an assignment of their interest in the December Agreement so that any lending institution
providing funding (within clause 6(c)) to Marlan can have security over that interest. The obligation of the defendants
does not extend to procuring that there be a mortgage over the land itself.
9.3 I propose hearing counsel further as to the appropriate order as to costs that should be made.